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	<title>Comments on: John Piper pipes in regarding online church</title>
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		<title>By: Brad Roberts</title>
		<link>http://www.nikao.ws/2009/07/02/john-piper-pipes-in-regarding-online-church/comment-page-1/#comment-5947</link>
		<dc:creator>Brad Roberts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Jul 2010 13:51:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I used to think the same as Piper.  I was somewhat of an opponent to our own iCampus when I was asked to help build it.  While somewhat skeptical, I agreed and along with some other talented folks, developed an online campus for our church  &lt;a href=&quot;http://(http://faithpromise.org/icampus)&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;(http://faithpromise.org/icampus)&lt;/a&gt;.  Since we launched a few years ago, we&#039;ve seen a lot of miracles.  Soldiers attending church with their families while overseas.  New moms attending while in the hospital.  People on the other side of the globe worshiping with us online.  Salvations and even baptisms have been a result of our iCampus.  Last winter, we had a snow storm and church was canceled.  Our pastor prerecorded the message, and hundreds of people met online that weekend. 
 
I still agree with Piper, and understand where he&#039;s coming from.  An online experience cannot substitute for tangible relationships or corporate worship.  However, after launching our Internet Campus our attendance didn&#039;t drop, it increased.  It didn&#039;t become a substitute, but a tool for us to share and extend our community.  Ironically, I wouldn&#039;t know of John Piper if not for the Internet.  I was introduced to him through his online ministry of podcasts, articles, and tweets. 
 
Our Communications Pastor, Kyle Gilbert, said something a few years ago that helped me come around.  He said, &quot;When the telephone was invented, some people thought it would destroy relationships, because we&#039;ll no longer see or touch one another.&quot;  Good point.  Maybe we&#039;ll look back on the Internet and say the same thing. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I used to think the same as Piper.  I was somewhat of an opponent to our own iCampus when I was asked to help build it.  While somewhat skeptical, I agreed and along with some other talented folks, developed an online campus for our church  <a href="http://(http://faithpromise.org/icampus)" rel="nofollow">(</a><a href="http://faithpromise.org/icampus" rel="nofollow">http://faithpromise.org/icampus</a>).  Since we launched a few years ago, we&#039;ve seen a lot of miracles.  Soldiers attending church with their families while overseas.  New moms attending while in the hospital.  People on the other side of the globe worshiping with us online.  Salvations and even baptisms have been a result of our iCampus.  Last winter, we had a snow storm and church was canceled.  Our pastor prerecorded the message, and hundreds of people met online that weekend.</p>
<p>I still agree with Piper, and understand where he&#039;s coming from.  An online experience cannot substitute for tangible relationships or corporate worship.  However, after launching our Internet Campus our attendance didn&#039;t drop, it increased.  It didn&#039;t become a substitute, but a tool for us to share and extend our community.  Ironically, I wouldn&#039;t know of John Piper if not for the Internet.  I was introduced to him through his online ministry of podcasts, articles, and tweets.</p>
<p>Our Communications Pastor, Kyle Gilbert, said something a few years ago that helped me come around.  He said, &quot;When the telephone was invented, some people thought it would destroy relationships, because we&#039;ll no longer see or touch one another.&quot;  Good point.  Maybe we&#039;ll look back on the Internet and say the same thing.</p>
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		<title>By: Vince</title>
		<link>http://www.nikao.ws/2009/07/02/john-piper-pipes-in-regarding-online-church/comment-page-1/#comment-4267</link>
		<dc:creator>Vince</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 11:06:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just to pose a question:  
 &quot;...deep study and commitment to God and his people.&quot; 
 
Are you saying these can&#039;t be accomplish on the we? 
 
and 
 
What do you mean by &#039;deep study&#039; </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just to pose a question: </p>
<p> &quot;&#8230;deep study and commitment to God and his people.&quot;</p>
<p>Are you saying these can&#039;t be accomplish on the we?</p>
<p>and</p>
<p>What do you mean by &#039;deep study&#039;</p>
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		<title>By: Worldview Matters</title>
		<link>http://www.nikao.ws/2009/07/02/john-piper-pipes-in-regarding-online-church/comment-page-1/#comment-4266</link>
		<dc:creator>Worldview Matters</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 11:03:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Seriously, how do we serve locally? Paul planted churches, technology works and is good.  Should it replace the authority and missional opportunities in a local community - seems like an easy way to slide in and out of regular fellowship. 
 
Let&#039;s work to bring real dialouge, discussion and leadership to studying, worshiping and preparing the saints. 
 
Please note bloggers would tend to support the internet type church; already regularly reading stuff.  Do not abandon the need for deep study and commitment to God and his people. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seriously, how do we serve locally? Paul planted churches, technology works and is good.  Should it replace the authority and missional opportunities in a local community &#8211; seems like an easy way to slide in and out of regular fellowship.</p>
<p>Let&#039;s work to bring real dialouge, discussion and leadership to studying, worshiping and preparing the saints.</p>
<p>Please note bloggers would tend to support the internet type church; already regularly reading stuff.  Do not abandon the need for deep study and commitment to God and his people.</p>
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		<title>By: Karl</title>
		<link>http://www.nikao.ws/2009/07/02/john-piper-pipes-in-regarding-online-church/comment-page-1/#comment-4257</link>
		<dc:creator>Karl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 22:45:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love your take on it, Vince. There&#039;s people on the internet, let&#039;s love &#039;em.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love your take on it, Vince. There&#8217;s people on the internet, let&#8217;s love &#8216;em.</p>
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		<title>By: Manda</title>
		<link>http://www.nikao.ws/2009/07/02/john-piper-pipes-in-regarding-online-church/comment-page-1/#comment-4247</link>
		<dc:creator>Manda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 18:55:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I keep reading about this issue, and I don&#039;t know exactly where I stand. At first, I agree with Piper. An online community is not a substitute for an in-person community. But, that doesn&#039;t mean we can&#039;t have an online church community or that we can&#039;t use the internet for church purposes. Just because we are using the internet doesn&#039;t mean that we are saying that it&#039;s as important as an in-person community. 
 
As far as what kids did in church 100 years ago, the answer probably depends on the church. But, I bet most kids attended church with their parents. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I keep reading about this issue, and I don&#039;t know exactly where I stand. At first, I agree with Piper. An online community is not a substitute for an in-person community. But, that doesn&#039;t mean we can&#039;t have an online church community or that we can&#039;t use the internet for church purposes. Just because we are using the internet doesn&#039;t mean that we are saying that it&#039;s as important as an in-person community.</p>
<p>As far as what kids did in church 100 years ago, the answer probably depends on the church. But, I bet most kids attended church with their parents.</p>
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		<title>By: vince</title>
		<link>http://www.nikao.ws/2009/07/02/john-piper-pipes-in-regarding-online-church/comment-page-1/#comment-4235</link>
		<dc:creator>vince</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jul 2009 07:19:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Jason  hahaha. nice. 
 
I wonder what kids did in church 100 years ago? </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Jason  hahaha. nice.</p>
<p>I wonder what kids did in church 100 years ago?</p>
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		<title>By: Jason_73</title>
		<link>http://www.nikao.ws/2009/07/02/john-piper-pipes-in-regarding-online-church/comment-page-1/#comment-4234</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason_73</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jul 2009 06:43:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And can you please point me in the direction of my kids online Sunday school class?? </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And can you please point me in the direction of my kids online Sunday school class??</p>
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		<title>By: Vince Marotte</title>
		<link>http://www.nikao.ws/2009/07/02/john-piper-pipes-in-regarding-online-church/comment-page-1/#comment-4888</link>
		<dc:creator>Vince Marotte</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 22:57:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_comment&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_twitter_username&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_content&quot;&gt;John Piper and Online Church -  http://is.gd/1lRcz \\ my take&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span class="topsy_trackback_comment"><span class="topsy_twitter_username"><span class="topsy_trackback_content">John Piper and Online Church &#8211;  <a href="http://is.gd/1lRcz" rel="nofollow">http://is.gd/1lRcz</a> \\ my take</span></span></span></p>
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		<title>By: Brad Thayer</title>
		<link>http://www.nikao.ws/2009/07/02/john-piper-pipes-in-regarding-online-church/comment-page-1/#comment-4224</link>
		<dc:creator>Brad Thayer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 15:28:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Piper is weird. (so much for the maturity in these posts)   
Seriously though I like what Danny said.  I think it&#039;s more of how you&#039;re using the internet. And is that use fostering a community?   
I think of the places where there is no church, yet a group of people can go online to a website and together listen to a sermon.  No they aren&#039;t in a &#039;church building&#039; but there is a group of them living life together. Receiving and giving encouragement from that community that wouldn&#039;t be there without the internet.  
Maybe I&#039;m wrong, but I guess a lot of this is how you define community and maybe how you define church. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Piper is weird. (so much for the maturity in these posts)  </p>
<p>Seriously though I like what Danny said.  I think it&#039;s more of how you&#039;re using the internet. And is that use fostering a community?  </p>
<p>I think of the places where there is no church, yet a group of people can go online to a website and together listen to a sermon.  No they aren&#039;t in a &#039;church building&#039; but there is a group of them living life together. Receiving and giving encouragement from that community that wouldn&#039;t be there without the internet. </p>
<p>Maybe I&#039;m wrong, but I guess a lot of this is how you define community and maybe how you define church.</p>
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		<title>By: Vince Marotte</title>
		<link>http://www.nikao.ws/2009/07/02/john-piper-pipes-in-regarding-online-church/comment-page-1/#comment-4889</link>
		<dc:creator>Vince Marotte</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 14:39:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_comment&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_twitter_username&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_content&quot;&gt;my thoughts on John Piper and his take on &#039;Online Church&#039; - http://is.gd/1lwgx&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span class="topsy_trackback_comment"><span class="topsy_twitter_username"><span class="topsy_trackback_content">my thoughts on John Piper and his take on &#8216;Online Church&#8217; &#8211; <a href="http://is.gd/1lwgx" rel="nofollow">http://is.gd/1lwgx</a></span></span></span></p>
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